Wednesday, July 23, 2008

The gay fascination with muscle guys


I’m a female muscle growth writer, which surprises a few guys, and I often get very bizarre comments like “Wow, I thought only men were into this!”

By far, the single question that annoyed me the most is, “Why do you think more men are into muscle men than women?”

There’s no way I can answer that question without acknowledging an absolutely outrageous premise, like “do you still like to beat children?” So many women like muscular men, or find them sexy, and so many gay men think visible veins are icky.

But hey, don’t listen to me, listen to science. Not a day goes by some behaviorist institute puts forward the idea that as a whole, women have a sexual preference for muscular men, and muscular males are more likely to have lots of previous female sexual partners than non-muscular brethren. Wow, now there’s some shocking results. Who did the survey, the Institute for Figuring Out Really Obvious Things? I guess science has dedicated itself to proving that High School actually happened.

But it is undeniable that the muscular male physique is seen as a fundamentally gay interest. This has led some to believe that there’s something hard-wired about loving muscle for gay men, or something about women that leads them to not like it – an idea that I reject. Rather, the current gay love of all things muscle is mutable and non-biological and had its basis on historical and cultural factors that are actually very recent.

When my mother was growing up in Brooklyn in the sixties and seventies, she knew a lot of gay men, and all of them, she said, were thin, harmless “fairies” that were bad at sports. There may be an element of stereotype in this, and it is one person’s subjective experience, and there may be class and regional factors in play, but it is true that the emphasis in gay culture was not on muscle. Prior to the 1980s, the most famous figures associated with homosexuality were Andy Warhol and David Bowie (who once famously said that he was a “closeted heterosexual”).

Good physiques have been valued since Ancient Greece, but the beginning of the modern gay fascination with muscle men starts in the 1980s with AIDS. It’s impossible to compare the horrifying devastation AIDS had on gay communities, especially before modern drugs were able to make AIDS something less than a total death sentence. AIDS is a wasting disease, and being muscular and built says, “hey, I’m healthy.” That’s when we start to see the gay fixation on bodybuilding. Gay gyms were not new to the 1980s, but their prominence and central role in gay culture was new, and the new desire for size and strength dovetailed nicely with traditional Western ideas about the male appearance.

8 comments:

Michael said...

Interesting. Culturally, I think there's a lot of anti-muscle prejudice floating around (Bluto, the violent meathead, roid rage), and I've certainly experienced my share of muscle bound jerks, both straight and gay. These days a very muscular build can hurt a man's chances for career success as much as help it, and women historically choose mates based on their ability to be a good provider.

Also, women are used to being the center of sexual attention of a couple, and "generally" like their escorts to be handsome, but not too handsome. The narcissism that runs just below the surface of bodybuilding is probably not so appealing to women, but gay men glorify in being sexually attracted to their own bodies.

Maybe AIDS sort of gave us permission to get in touch with our inner muscle stud!

Regards, Michael

Esperanto Grrl said...

Michael -

Maybe that's true, but I think that's starting to change as a lot of women get financial and social power in our society, and as we no longer have to depend on men for earning, we can do things that traditionally only men have done historically: for instance, have younger and more sexually desirable and muscular men whose purpose is just sex and as a status symbol.

Our society is already seeing this happen: look at all the Samanthas from SEX IN THE CITY out there.

Michael said...

I'm reminded of "Pool Boy" from Mad TV. :-) Thanks for the comments at gosporn, BTW.

Anonymous said...

I agree only with some of this. I think the effeminate-dominated gay scenes prior to the 1980s were partly due to the extreme taboo of being gay, and masculine gay men generally remained closeted, and didnt become involved in the gay scene.

Also, what surprises ME personally about this is that ALL of the women i know seem to think justin timberlake is about as muscular as a guy should get. Bodybuilders, they say, disgust them. Unless, they're just hiding their love of big muscled dudes.

I agree with Michael that there IS lots of anti-muscle growth prejudice- and usually from the least informed segment of the population. People who, ironically, seem to think that muscled people must be idiots, and yet know NOTHING about human physiology or exercise in general.

Interesting comment about the trophy boyfriend/husband phenom. Maybe if i get big enough, some day i'll have a sugar momma. hahahaha.

Esperanto Grrl said...

Well, Justin Timberlake has quite a body, there's no arguing that!

True story: I had a room-mate from the Bahamas my first year, she said that Justin was the only white guy that she ever thought was hot.

Anonymous said...

You have no idea what you are talking about. Gay men were muscular and loved muscles way before the 1980s. Chris Dickerson, a gay man, won the Mr. Olympia contest. Eugene Sandow, a bodybuilding pioneer, traveled around exhibiting his body with his boyfriend in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Michelangelo created paintings, drawings, and sculptures of muscular men. Emperor Hadrian created a religion dedicated to the beauty and life of his dead boyfriend Antinous. Those are just a few examples.

Heterosexual women, Chivers and her colleagues found, were no more excited by athletic naked men doing yoga or tossing stones into the ocean than they were by the control footage: long pans of the snowcapped Himalayas. When straight women viewed a video of a naked woman doing calisthenics, on the other hand, their blood flow increased significantly.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-bisexual-wn-0806aug06,0,2306621.story

Esperanto Grrl said...

Welcome, Zim!

With your pleasant and agreeable attitude and demeanor I can't imagine you'll have any problem being taken seriously or listened to.

>> Eugene Sandow, a bodybuilding
>> pioneer, traveled around
>> exhibiting his body with his
>> boyfriend in the late 1800s and
>> early 1900s.

First, I find it fascinating that you're bringing up Eugen Sandow when trying to show that women think muscle guys are icky. You know, Eugen Sandow, who was constantly in the company of women that wanted to feel his flexed muscles?

>> Chris Dickerson, a gay man, won
>> the Mr. Olympia contest.

ONE gay guy won Mr. Olympia before 1980? Well then, I guess I take it all back.

Ahhhnold won a great many Mr. Olympias and he was known for several anti-gay comments. Does that mean there's a cultural emphasis for the muscular physique among homophobes?

If anything, it's possible to argue that homophobia, tragically enough, has been institutionalized into bodybuilding: just look at any hardcore bodybuilding magazine, especially MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT, best known for its douche-y, frat-boy air.

I don't see the relevance in your appeals to Ancient World sources when talking about gay culture and homosexuality, when definitions for those concepts didn't even exist yet!

If you'll note, I didn't say that gay men prior to the 1980s didn't like muscular men or that traditional, classic and Western standards of beauty didn't exist. I never said that prior to 1980 gay men thought muscles were gross. What I did say was, traditional western standards of beauty "dovetailed nicely" into the post-AIDS gay culture. Hell, I didn't even say the "gay gym" was new, either. What I said was the emphasis WAS new.

>> Michelangelo created paintings,
>> drawings, and sculptures of
>> muscular men. Emperor Hadrian
>> created a religion dedicated to
>> the beauty and life of his dead
>> boyfriend Antinous.

What about Queen Victoria, who, after the death of her husband, carried on with muscle hunks like Brown and Turkish stud Kerim?

And while we're throwing around the Greeks and Romans, how about the beginning of Euripides's IPHEGINEIA AT AULIS, that features the Chorus as ladies cooing over muscular studs exercising?

>> Heterosexual women, Chivers and
>> her colleagues found, were no more
>> excited by athletic naked men
>> doing yoga or tossing stones into
>> the ocean than they were by the
>> control footage

My survey can beat up your survey.

http://africa.reuters.com/odd/news/usnN09290845.html

Anonymous said...

Yes, you did say gay men didn't like muscles before the 1980's. "Rather, the current gay love of all things muscle is mutable and non-biological and had its basis on historical and cultural factors that are actually very recent."

There have always been people who loved those of the same sex. Doesn't matter if there was a name for it or not.

The Meredith Chivers study actually looked at women's physical reactions. The survey you presented just asked women what they liked.